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note the absence of senior defense-minded senators like john mccain and lindsey graham, in the pitter patter of applause. and today we got an earful of why. >> but somehow to allege that the united states of america, our government, would drop a drone hell fire missile on jane fonda, that is -- that brings the conversation from a serious discussion about u.s. policy to the realm of the ridiculous. >> and when john mccain wasn't placing him in the realm of the ridiculous, lindsey graham offered his fellow republicans a tour of the hinterlands of hypocrisy. >> to my republican colleagues, i don't remember any of you coming down here suggesting that president bush was going to kill anybody with a drone. so what is it? all of a sudden that this drone program has gotten every republican so spun up. what are we up to here? >> a very interesting question, senator graham. very interesting indeed. let's get right to our panel now. here with me in new york is msnbc contributor ari melber, a correspondent for "the nation." and in washington msnbc political analyst david corn of "mother jones" ma
about. >> senators john mccain and lindsey graham's scathing response to paul's nearly 13-hour -- >> i thought it was rather insulting for the way that these gentlemen responded to this. >> your words, senator, john mccain and senator lindsey graham fighting vehemently to defend president obama's policy. it was a little disorienting. >> joining me right now is senator bernie sanders of vermont, a member of the senate budget committee. sir, good to have you here. we start with what politico is putting out as the headline. grand bargain back with a question mark. we look at what paul ryan said after lunch with the president, where i think hope is being borne from. everyone needs to be part of this conversation. we need an open debate about how best to balance the budget and expand opportunities. so, sir, outside of the lines of the continuing resolution coming out of the house side. what you month would you guesstimate that we mae get the grand bargain? >> the issue is not the grand bargain. the issue is what's in the grand bargain. when you have growing inequality, 100% of all new incom
, and then some of these senators, people like john mccain, kelly ayotte, lindsey graham, are people that are bothered by the defense cuts and sequester and might be willing to make concessions. what you hear from republicans in the house is, well, all the president has put on the table is tax increases, and that's not true, but half is tax increases, and republicans are never really going to like that. this is the group that you might convince to cut a deal with. >> although lindsey graham said, hey, we will put revenue on the table if the president is serious about entitlement reform, and that was not long ago. we just showed some tape, richard, of paul ryan entering the white house. i think that's -- i mean, look, we talked a lot yesterday about whether this is a good thing or a bad thing, whether it will amount to much. i think at the end of the day it's a win-win situation for both sides. republicans look less obstructionist. the white house looks like they are finally heeding the advice that the president needs to engage more, and the country sees the two sides talking, if not
to a group of republicans. lindsey graham, rob portman, bob corker, tom coburn and susan collins. >> i expect the president to talk to various members. frankly i wish he had done more of that over the years. we've had all of us very limited interaction with the president. he certainly doesn't have to go through me to call my members. >>> so on the international front, seven days of mourning have begun for the polarizing leader of venezuela. live pictures as people are coming on ultimate en masse. the body being moved from a military hospital where he died taking through the streets and mass crowds. people started filling the roads last night as of news came he lost his two-year battle with cancer. as required by the constitution, an election is set for 30 days from now. the white house issuing this statement, saying at this challenging time, the united states reaffirms its support for the venezuelan people and its interest in develop -- that relationship, as we all know, between chavez and the president, that was a rocky one, straight up to the end. there was no u.s. am intoes do recall there
limbaughs, but also the backlash he got from john mccain and lindsey graham, who said this isn't the type of position on national security our party should be taking. >> on the democratic side, we saw joe biden's schedule. seems to touch on all the groups you would need to touch on to come through a democratic primary. but this far out, we're in march of 2013, it seems to me that it's hillary, and that decision, and that's it. from the aides i've talked to, if she wants it, it's hers. no one can challenge her at this point. there's no barack obama coming around. >> that's why we'll probably not get an answer from her for a couple of years, which is why all the activity that we're seeing is happening on the republican side. not only was rand paul making waves, jeb bush. we saw marco rubio taking center stage giving his state of the union response to president obama. all these republicans seem to be doing little different things to at least dip their toes in the 2016 waters to prepare themself for something still three years away. >> the pressure on hillary is unbelievable. lastly, carl lev
meet the military requirement for a military tribunal. >> for the lindsey grahams of the world who say gitmo all the time. that's fine. but those who say military commissions, military commissions, sorry, but he can't be charged with material support for terrorism, which can carry a life sentence, because that is disallowed at a legal matter in military commission. but keep in mind the administration backed down from trying kalib shake mohammad in manhattan after police said security would cost $200 million per year. this trial is expect it to take three weeks. >> shepard: thanks very much. juror john mccain is with us now, member of the snarl averaged services committee, the senate committee on homeland security, back home in arizona. senator, thank you. >> thank you. >> how do you feel about this trial in lower manhattan? >> well, of course i'd be very interested in these days of sequestration how much the security costs will be. but importantly in the short term, if this individual got his miranda rights, which i'm confident he did, because any good lawyer is going to tell his or he
, kelly ai yacht, lindsey graham. stoo several republicans in recent days. senator graham on tuesday described his phone call as and i'm quoting, the most encouraging engagement on a big issue i've seen since the early years of hissed. si. get that man an extra glass of his favorite reislin. a continuing resolution that led to democratic outrage on the floor. >> this is a disgraceful bill. and this process is not on the level. we have a budget that is doubling down on grinding down on the middle class. >> wall street is celebrating while the backs of poor people are been broken. this is not a rule that should pass today. we should remain snowed out. we shouldn't even be here. snow us out until we can get the right kind of balance. >> despite that clear opposition, it did pass keeping in place the sequester cuts while softening the blow for defense naturally. expected to take it up next week saying they'll oppose the measure without a vote to defund the affordable care act. i guess bitterness is always a dish best served cold. while we're on the subject of last year's leftovers, here
, lindsey graham, intra-party scold got a _#of his own. primary graham. if there was any question about just how tense it might be in the upper chamber, the "new york times" ran this photo showing paul and mccain sharing an elevator ride after the elder senator accused the kentucky sion of disservice. hash tag, awkward. stephanie, we have talked ad nauz yum at this point about the lower chamber and the raucus caucus and how difficult a job speaker john boehner has in his words getting the frogs in the wheelbarrow. but this week i think exposed some serious changes, if not a rift within the elder wing -- the elder sort of establishment wing of the republican party in the upper chamber. not just on sequester but with the rand paul talky filibuster. >> i was pleased see that picture because normally there's a democrat standing there getting a scowl. >> i've been on elevators like that myself. you know, i think that, you know, i appreciate what senator mccain and senator graham were trying to say. under no circumstances are americans at home in danger of getting shot by a drone from the u.s. go
cain and lindsey graham coming out in support of what the president has done, lindsey graham calling into question where were republicans during president bush's administration when they were using drones. joining me on set is ayman mull ha dean, you know firsthand from the work you've doane overseas, so we have the house judiciary committee, scheduled toic take up this conversation as well, certainly transparency is something that we want, but when we hear senator mccain mentioning the u.s. citizen that was killed in 2011, there was an op-ed piece in "wall street journal" "wall street journal" talking about what it means to be an enemy combatant. he was considered to be an enemy combatant, but in yemen. can a drone be used here if an enemy combatant is on american soil here. how will the conversation go? >> i think these are fundamental questions that have not been debated in the united states when it comes to applies the drone policy overseas. this is part of the criticism that many have against the united states, particularly allies like pakistan and others. the question -- the fundamental ques
cain and lindsey graham, actually going after him, for his tactics in the substance of what he was doing. let's take a listen to that. >> to say that we would hit them in a cafe with a hell fire missile, first of all, no drones have hell fire missiles anywhere near. they're in yemen and afghanistan. and other places in the world. so, we've done a, i think, a disservice to a lot of americans by making them to believe that somehow they're in danger from their government. they're not. >> to my republican colleagues, i don't remember any of you coming down here suggesting that president bush was going to kill anybody with a drone. so what is it? all of a sudden that this drone program has gotten every republican so spun up. what are we up to here? >> and i think mccain actually makes a good point there. rand paul by raising the spector of americans sitting in cafes being struck down by u.s. drones, it most people are not concerned about that. it seems crazy. it seems fringe. and in that way, while rand paul did spark this debate and obviously if you were on twitter last night you know people were
. republican senator lindsey graham says he just spoke with the president by phone. take a listen to what he said. >> i'm very encouraged by what i've seen from the president in terms of substance and tone. he's calling people. this is how you solve hard problems. what i see from the president is probably the most encouraging engagement on a big issue i have seen since the early years of his presidency. >> i'm really sorry to repeat history, but haven't we seen this before? the president compromises. the president goes to extreme lengths and guess what happens? the sequester happens. or there's a fight other the debt ceiling, or the continuing resolution will be brutal. what's the point? >> well, you have got a good point. essentially graham is one of the folks who is saying we have to have more revenues. he said he's open to $600 billion to revenues and the president is trying to reach out and see if that can be done. the situation we're in now is paul ryan has essentially a dog ate the homework kind of budget. nobody has to take responsible for these brutal cuts that make no sense and are
including roy blunt, tom coburn, susan collins, bob porker, lindsey graham, and rob portman. he'll also dine tonight with 11 republican senators at the jefferson hotel and will travel to capitol hill next week to meet with caucuses in both the house and the senate. so far, the good will is being reciprocated. according to senator lindsey graham, what i see from the president is probably the most encouraging engagement on a big issue since the early days of his presidency. senator majority leader mitch mcconnell is all for daytont. >> frankly, i wish he'd done more of that over the years. we've had, all of us, very limited interaction with the president. he's certainly doesn't have to go through me to call on my members, and i'm sure he will, and i encourage him to do so. >> of course, necessity is usually the grandmother of change. despite several weeks of bully pulpit pressure, even the president acknowledged that his hands are tied unless congress decides to cooperate. >> this idea that somehow there's a secret formula or secret sauce to get speaker boehner or mitch mcconnell to say, you k
the temperature down, and it's worth noting senator lindsey graham put this list together. we have a graphic, i believe, of those who will be attending this evening. these are the senators who have been identified really as showing some sort of willingness to listen to compromise. richard burr, tom coburn, pat toomey, to name just a few of those who will be at the dinner tonight. in terms of what gets accomplished, i don't expect a deal from a grand bargain, but, look, there's no ticking time bomb. there is no stark deadline that they are trying to meet for a fiscal fight, which is really different from what we have seen in past weeks. so this really gives them the opportunity to have some type of conversation on these issues that have so starkly divided them. as you point out, it comes against the backdrop of president obama not reaching out enough to lawmakers on the hill, and also against the backdrop of house speaker john boehner saying he's not planning to negotiate with president obama moving forward. so, there is some hope this will begin to move the conversation forward. president obama
. lindsey graham offered some background yesterday afternoon. >> the president called senator mccain and myself a couple of weeks ago, and senator mccain was his opponent, as you all thou know, in 2008. i see the president reaching out. the dinner that was supposed to be quiet is sad that it makes news. >> he's right about that. graham's closest friends were on the list. graham also included republican senators who have a particular interest in the budget debate, so that included pat toomey. graham is the only senator up for re-election in 2014. miguel rodriguez was there. vice president biden, not at the dinner. maybe this is the start of a new outreach. in his first term, mr. obama's outreach to republicans was sporadic at best and though the president bristles when that's pointed out -- >> i promise you, we invite folks from congress over here all the time. and when they choose to come, i enjoy their company. sometimes they don't choose to come, and that has to do with the fact that i think they don't consider the optics useful for them politically. >> the fact of the matter i
from killing each other. on thursday mccain and lindsey graham, as you know, skewered mr. paul, particularly his filibuster. so who wins this rare old tussle? is it the old guard or the new guard? >> it is an interesting establishment gop versus this tea party gop -- >> who wins? >> you know, i think rand paul within the conservative bubble comes out looking better. now, obviously to you and me we listen to it and graham and mccain are making more sense. rand paul is fighting a good fight against a problem that does not exist, a wild hypothetical that has not happened, perhaps never will happen. part of the gop's program of like real solutions for fake problems. americans in restaurants can rest assured that they will not be droned. >> i hope jane fonda knows that. >> especially if they're not combatants against america. so they can be comfortable tonight and into the future. but like rand paul 2016 is actually looking better. is he going to win the nomination? probably not. is he going to be president? certainly not. but he can be a player in 2016 and doing that thing we've se
. including lindsey graham. >> i am encouraged by the president's outreach. i hope it bears fruit. >> white house spokesman jay carney says the president wants to talk about a grand bar gone budget deal. but also coming together on issues like immigration reform. >> the president is interested in, you know, finding the members of the caucus of common sense. >> the president is dining to close to a dozen rank and file republicans, a list that does not include boehner or senator republican leader mitch mcconnell. >> i wish he had done more over the years. we have had all of us limited interaction with the president. he doesn't have to go through me to call my members and i'm sure he will. >> the president has asked to meet separately next week with the caucuses of the house democrats, senate democrats, house republicans and senate republicans. the first time he has met with the republicans on the hill since 2010. >> bret: thank you. what has been characterized as major snowstorm is moving up the coast. it's not that bad in washington. more rain than snow. but in virginia, there is a state of
. on the other side, senators john mccain and lindsey graham who asked him to step it back a bit. here's senator mccain thursday. take a listen. >> if mr. paul wants to be taken seriously, he needs to do more than pull political stunts that fire up impressionable libertarian kids in their college dorms. he needs to know what he's talking about. >> let's introduce. maureen is a staff writer at salon.com. buzz feeds political editor and matt welch, editor in chief at reason magazine. and, matt, we'll start with you. it was a big week for your movement, so to speak. in fact, you couldn't contain yourself over at reason magazine. brian doherty said, "this was a very big deal. in 36 hours the republican party has completely changed." how so? >> that we're having this conversation to begin with. if you went to the 2004 national convention in new york city and listen to zell miller say it wasn't the journalist who brought us freedom of speech, it was the soldier. there was not a rand paul voice at that table at all. 2008, john mccain as the nominee. he's the most aggressively pro interventionist candid
bad for the u.s. military and for na reason they were opposed to the sequestration. senator lindsey graham says the party of ronald reagan would never let this happen and john mccain says the cuts are unconscionable. >> we've got to stop spending and whatever it takes to start that process and we can come back and fix it. >> john: you want to fix it going on. >> that's right. >> john: are you comfortable this week knowing that this sequestration will occur? >> we've got to let it occur, yes. i'm comfortable with that. >> john: that day, with the sequester still two days away, homeland security officials announce they have released illegal immigrants from arizona detention facilities. are they releasing illegal aliens now? >> the white house supposedly didn't know about it-- >> wednesday the president invites congressional leaders to a last minute meeting on friday, the day the sequester hits. >> he hopes that they will have a constructive discussion about doing something to prevent sequestration. >> john: some republicans are suspicious. >> here we are 11th hour once again, the last
republicans to dinner tonight, and he spoke with lindsey graham yesterday. here's what graham had to say. >> i'm very encouraged by what i see from the president in terms of substance and tone. he's calling people. this is how you solve hard problems. what i see from the president is probably the most encouraging engagement on a big issue i have seen since the early years of his presidency. >> you know, critics have said what took so long for him to meet with lawmakers to try to hammer out a deal? is that fair? >> i do think it's fair. i have a big question, if we knew the sequester was coming for lo this many months, and if we thought there was some kind of a group of sensible caucuses the president has called t. the common-sense caucus, that he could meet with, why did we twiddle our thumbs under the sequester hit? i do think -- but i do think two things. first of all, it is encouraging that the president is doing this. i also thing what's particularly encouraging is there are some cracks in the antitask absolutely no additional taxes beyond what we agreed to in january, republican position.
. they have pressed a he pressed and pressed the withohite house get a clarifying statement. >> lindsey graham made it clear to me that in exchange for major entitlement reform, social security, medicare, medicaid, he would support what's called a grand bargain and include major tax reform that could potentially increase tax revenues but you've got to have a big package deal. would you go along with that? >> i don't know what the plan is. i don't know what the list is. i'm serving on the finance committee. we're having a hearing tomorrow. the president's on the air every other whipstitch blaming republicans we just want to eliminate these taxes for the rich. what is he talking about? he's been talking about on the campaign trail shutting down the oil and gas industry in kansas, shutting down agriculture, lending institutions, et cetera, et cetera, all sorts of executive orders and regulations. in terms of tax reform and the loopholes, where are they? what's the plan? where's the list? >> well, would you be able to get into negotiations? >> i'm always ready to get into negotiations. i know numb
cain and lindsey graham on the floor. two ways to interpret it. one, you can interpret it as their reasserting control over what people think about the issues. and the other is, they're actually kind of threatened. we're going to take a break and we'll come back. graham and paul on the floor. [ watch ticking ] [ engine revs ] come in. ♪ got the coffee. that was fast. we're outta here. ♪ [ engine revs ] ♪ plays a key role throughout our lives. one a day women's 50+ is a complete multivitamin designed for women's health concerns as we age. it has 7 antioxidants to support cell health. one a day 50+. it has 7 antioxidants to support cell health. exciting and would always come max and pto my rescue. bookstore but as time passed, i started to notice max just wasn't himself. and i knew he'd feel better if he lost a little weight. so i switched to purina cat chow healthy weight formula. i just fed the recommended amount... and they both loved the taste. after a few months max's "special powers" returned... and i got my hero back. purina cat chow healthy weight. a talking car. but i'll tell you
because right now there's no discretion. mitch mcconnell's filibuster -- and john mccain and lindsey graham were screaming for these because they were saying this is a national security emergency. at least give the executive more discretion. mitch mcconnell himself stopped both those bills along with the democratic bill. harry reid said i'll give you two republican bills if you'll just let us vote on this one democratic replace bill. i think that the republican party has allowed the rand paul wing to trump the national security wing. absolutely. >> there's another piece to that, though. the continuing resolution is something that sounds like everybody has agreed not to fight over. in large part, i think from the right because it's going to give the pentagon more leeway to decide where these cuts happen, and so everybody can agree, okay, republicans get what they want. the president doesn't want to renegotiate or relitigate another budget fight three weeks after this one. i just doubt, you know -- i doubt that we're going to actually see any movement on this at all before 2014. i mean
it together lindsey graham september osent ought a tweet today, he said hope it serves as the beginning of a new paradigm where people in elected office actually talk to each other about meaningful issues. one of the senators who i spoke with said that what struck him was the fact that the president sort of can got to understand better the republicans and the republicans got to understand the president better. and he said that that was even more of a shocker i think to republicans, that the president is actually sincere in where he's coming from. i have a very unsophisticated word to describe this. duh. this is human relationships and it should have been happening for years and years. to understand each other, baseline of that, that has to happen before they can talk across party lines. >> wolf, didn't we have this conversation in 2009 and it had to do with beer and a beer summit and it was sitting down as regular people just like the picture shows you, trying to get over an impasse by just sitting down to either a good meal or a good beer? >> once you establish sort of direct human con
cain and lindsey graham basically affirming the obama administration's position on drones, what it tells me is there's very little question in my mind that what happened yesterday was a very -- which he has been as open as anyone. i'm less convinced this was a great thing for the republican party, more broadly. you know, i think it gets them on questionable ground on an issue in terms of public opinion and an issue that the vast majority of the public isn't interested in. definitely a big moment for rand paul, and where mccain and grah graham. >> against president obama -- kristen welker. rand paul has not given in yet on the 30 hours of debate. it could be saturday morning unless he is pressured to give in. >> underscoring the point. they did write a letter to rand paul answering what seems to be his xheef concern, which is -- >> it's possible that is holding that process up. -- they have last night with republican lawmakers, and they say that the timing is important, andrea, because it came at a time when there's not a countdown clock running. so, in essence, they believe that this is a p
-- >> lindsey graham appeared to give wriggle room with revenue or reform to the tax code. >> he did. and then speaker boehner does the opposite and so the challenge here is, who are you negotiating with? i think part of the smart strategy in terms of the white house and what they're doing is, listen, if we can't negotiate with the leadership and it's clearly not been very productive, let's try to negotiate with the rank and file members and see where there's common ground and then build momentum from the bottom up on the leaders. >> april, real quick. i want to read what john dickerson of "slate" and saying early in his first term, he, meaning the president, reached out to senators grassley, snowe, collins and specter in the negotiations and tried a back room deal to secure the support of nebraska senator ben nelson. while obama may not be very good at trying to work congress, he may only have done it in fits and starts but you can't say he hasn't tried. so that's the focus of trying with republicans. has he done the same with democrats, april? >> democrats are saying that they are
ayote, mitch mcconnell, lindsey graham, john mccain. they all came out and said it was an outrage, they say the right decision of course would be to ship the guy to guantanamo. they say that it so much better. they say now he is in federal custody, of course he will not talk. he will clam up. the obama administration blew it. i should also mention now that along with charging the federal suspect in court today, the prosecutors also submitted as evidence 22 pages of statements that osama bin laden's son-in-law has made to federal law enforcement officials since he was arrested. but still, everybody freak out. double guantanamo. maybe that will help you get re-elected if you ever have to go back in a time machine to run for office again in 2004. with the spark miles card from capital one, bjorn earns unlimited rewards for his small business. take these bags to room 12 please. [ garth ] bjorn's small business earns double miles on every purchase every day. produce delivery. [ bjorn ] just put it on my spark card. [ garth ] why settle for less? ahh, oh! [ garth ] great businesses dese
i always get the same in return. >> so, aaron, why did mccain and lindsey graham attack him on the senate floor? didn't it hurt mccain and graham? >> it might. i think this is an area where graham and mccain have a very significant policy difference with rand paul and a lot of the new republicans who are joining the senate these days. at the same time, i think this is an issue -- you know, the rand paul filibuster got a lot of attention because it was fascinating this guy was talking for 13 hours. it wasn't necessarily that people in the republican party were embracing his message, so to speak. so, you know, i think the republican party is very much split on this issue but i don't think it's a point of emphasis. i do think it's interesting that mccain and graham are spending time making this point and mccain even calling somebody names, which is unusual for the senate. but i don't think this is going to be a big deal long term given that foreign policy is not at the top of the ticket right now. >> although, don't know, did you see that one picture of them inside the senate e
that raises revenues to lower the deficit. >> talking about lindsey graham on the republican side, because it sounds like he's not talking to the leadership? >> he just had the leadership in on friday. what i think is most important, is we're not just trying to make those calls to read out the names. he's making those calls to see where there might be a coalition of the willing, a caucus for common sense and trying to build trust. he's going to be having a lot more conversations like that because he understands, as i think more and more republicans will understand, that it makes no sense to sit back and watch communities that depend on military spending devastated. it makes no sense to see us lose 750,000 jobs when we could come together in bipartisan compromise if we're all willing to give a little. >> let me ask you about jobs. when do you expect we will see enough jobs created to make a sizable dent in the unemployment rate which has been so stubbornly high. >> well, you know, this is exactly the point we're making. right now you have seen some momentum in areas like housing and auto sa
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love your optimism. however -- >> brian: lindsey graham and mccain, get there and say, listen, let's start again. let's just start fresh. what do you need? >> steve: should we bet a dollar right now? >> brian: dollar on the line. >> steve: right there. >> gretchen: wait, what are we bit bething on? >> steve: bipartisanship breaks out. >> gretchen: really? that's worth manner a buck to me. >> steve: because the dozen senators he's inviting over have a history of being bipartisan because the president needs to get stuff done. anyway, more on that later on of the we've got breaking news. tv icon, valerie harper, facing a devastating diagnosis. she just revealed she has terminal brain cancer. harper best known for her 1970s role as rhoda on "the mary tyler move" show and her on show" rhoda." she told people magazine she found out about the cancer in january. doctors say she could have as little as three months to live. she previously battled lung cancer in the year of 2009. she's been on this program a number of times. she is a wonderful person. >> gretchen: very sad news. a democrat i
on the table. here's what i think the president is up to. there are senators like lindsey graham who are willing to put more revenue on the table in exchange for entitlement changes, a decade or more away from now. i think that you could see a deal where they do something on new revenues matched with entitlement cuts and then keep the $1.2 trillion covered by sequestration, but reorder them. decide that different programs are going to get cut, maybe more get cut in the out years, say not this year and next year but in the other eight years that are covered by sequestration. you could see that being part of a deal. >> yeah. putting it another way, we're really actually not that far from something that makes sense. if you got another 400 to $600 billion in revenues and you rearranged that $1.2 trillion to include something sensible on entitlements and restore some of these stupid discretionary cuts, you would be at $4 trillion of deficit reduction that a lot of us feel is not all we hoped for but enough to at least sleep at night. >> so where are we? break it down. >> we're right now a
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